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		<title>Joevano at 15:31, 25 May 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-05-25T15:31:55Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What many people think are cheat clients actually can be attributed to lag. There are not as many as people tend to claim and more than I would like to see. Subtle cheats really just make you wonder but ar difficult to detect, such as someone seemingly shooting you with &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;ST as they are coming &lt;/del&gt;around the corner. Did he KNOW you were there, did he &quot;have a feeling&quot;, or was it just dumb luck? Only the player will know without carefully watching and analyzing the players habits. As to why they cheat, it is just a statement of the world we live in. It is a society where you have to &quot;WIN&quot; at all costs. That is the real root of the problem. [[User:DonnyBaker|DonnyBaker]] 11:24, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What many people think are cheat clients actually can be attributed to lag. There are not as many as people tend to claim and more than I would like to see. Subtle cheats really just make you wonder but ar difficult to detect, such as someone seemingly &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;knowing where you are (with ST) and &lt;/ins&gt;shooting you with &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a ricochet shot &lt;/ins&gt;around the corner. Did he KNOW you were there, did he &quot;have a feeling&quot;, or was it just dumb luck? Only the player will know without carefully watching and analyzing the players habits. As to why they cheat, it is just a statement of the world we live in. It is a society where you have to &quot;WIN&quot; at all costs. That is the real root of the problem&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, and it is really sad&lt;/ins&gt;. [[User:DonnyBaker|DonnyBaker]] 11:24, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Joevano at 15:24, 25 May 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-05-25T15:24:52Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;What many people think are cheat clients actually can be attributed to lag. There are not as many as people tend to claim and more than I would like to see. Subtle cheats really just make you wonder but ar difficult to detect, such as someone seemingly shooting you with ST as they are coming around the corner. Did he KNOW you were there, did he &quot;have a feeling&quot;, or was it just dumb luck? Only the player will know without carefully watching and analyzing the players habits. As to why they cheat, it is just a statement of the world we live in. It is a society where you have to &quot;WIN&quot; at all costs. That is the real root of the problem. [[User:DonnyBaker|DonnyBaker]] 11:24, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>81.227.195.139: why cheating</title>
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		<updated>2007-05-25T14:30:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;why cheating&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Have seen a lot of cheat clients of different kind. I have never used one. &lt;br /&gt;
What is point of cheating anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
People who cheat may have some personal problem and need a shrink.&lt;br /&gt;
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